(03-11-2010 12:39 AM)BravoNine Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 11:29 PM)binkie Wrote:  2. Malcolm's line about the visit he received being "from Lucas I'm afraid" is interestingly placed. Following this line, Malcolm and Harry surmise a relationship between the visit and Albany. When, moments later, Lucas calls, Harry puts the call on speaker, meaning Malcolm - who presumably is no longer in receipt of the security clearance he had when he was working on The Grid - can hear everything. There is a slightly sinister quality about Harry's note to Lucas that "you are inavaluable to me" coming right on top of the implication that Malcolm and Harry are both very aware that Albany is a matter of concern, and heightens the sense in which Lucas is a chess piece in a game of which he, alone of all the particpants, appears to be largely ignorant

That whole scene just gave me a whole fishy feeling....something just doesn't seem very right or genuine......the way Malcolm said "from Lucas, I'm afraid" seemed as if he knew that Lucas would come to him someday, as if this was planned.....and Harry didn't seem very shocked either.....

And if Harry is just using Lucas (causing all this torment) to further some plan of his, I will forever be disappointed in Harry, he may be more of a bastard than I could ever imagine. I would have to smack him A LOT.

I had always thought Harry genuinely cares about Lucas, but if that reveals to be not true and that Lucas is just a weapon to Harry, well, honestly I will be very sad and angry.

(03-11-2010 05:34 AM)Silktie Wrote:  I read Malcolm's delivery as sadness, because with the protocol Harry set up with him, if anyone ever came asking for that file, it would indicate that person is a traitor. So in effect he's telling Harry that his favourite son is a traitor. And Harry probably guessed that it was about Albany because of Malcolm mentioning the protocol Harry had set up with him. And I thought Harry's delivery in his discussion to Lucas, about him needing him, was iffy because he was lying to Lucas. He knows there is no way he can offer Lucas a life on the Grid still, but he was trying to persuade him to come in and save them the trouble of hunting him down.

(03-11-2010 05:34 AM)Silktie Wrote:  Was anyone else thinking, going by the expressions on their faces as Ruth came back on the Grid after her ordeal and the whole mess with Lucas, that Dimitri, Beth and Tariq are scouring the job ads in the paper every day? They must be wondering how they ended up working in this nuthouse.

(01-11-2010 11:41 PM)picard1109 Wrote:  afterward...yep, I understand that, too. She's still a bit of a wimp when getting slapped around, though!

(03-11-2010 09:16 AM)berlin101 Wrote:  I'm delurking with this post too...

Wow - there are so many holes that need to be filled and I hope they do.

My two cents:

I'm pretty sure Lucas/John was brainwashed/a sleeper, he probably is Albany and the suitcase was some kind of trigger. Maya's photo and all the other stuff in it...all triggers for different parts of John's past, implanted by...Vaughn?

Maya is probably an agent as well. In 15 years she hasn't found another guy to marry, but is in a relationship with Vaughn - of all men? He and Lucas/John are very different types, so this seems highly unlikely. And in order for the plot to work, Maya had to be easily detachable from her current partner. A happily married woman (with children maybe) probably wouldn't have wandered off with a guy she hasn't heard from in 15 years so easily...even if it is RA. We haven't really learned a lot about her, except for the photo and tapas bar story. And Lucas after 15 years (and a marriage to another woman) just remembers her by a photo and thinks "Ah, yes - Maya! Let's give up everything for her." That picture was a trigger as well, I tell you.
Maya must have been "planted" in order to keep John/Lucas in check and as leverage if needed.

(03-11-2010 10:29 AM)theeyeshaveit Wrote:  I wasn't very happy when the writers shafted the Home Secretary in the first episode either, but he was a more incidental character and had left anyway so I just accepted they did it as the first case in a series going to be about a betrayal theme.

I always wondered why Harry felt the need to kill him and assumed it was to save him from facing whatever he faced.

Series speculation Spoiler: show

Now I am not so sure. That act by Harry was the first of some strange things he as said centred around the job and what it demands of people and the awful things they have to do to be successful. The thought occurs to me now too, that perhaps he had to kill the HS because if the HS went through whatever processes were facing him, including interrogation I presume, he might talk about something Harry did not want him to talk about.