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RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Beatriz - 20-10-2010 05:42 PM
(19-10-2010 08:54 PM)FATBOY Wrote:Spoiler: show
(20-10-2010 01:17 PM)Hunted Wrote: I'm with Tea Lady here. I can't see in what circumstances Ruth could be a or is 'the ultimate betrayer'. In what way would she betray the team, and why would she do this? It would be completely out of character for her, and everything we have seen in Series 9 so far.
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I stick to the theory that the ultimate betrayal was Nicholas Blake.
I'm with Tea Lady and Hunted, I also think that the ultimate bretrayal was refering to Nicholas Blake. I don't buy Ruth's being the traitor, and I don't think it's Lucas either. It's not in their blood. But if I had to choose between Ruth and Lucas, I'd say Lucas, he's the one who's making merits to say so...
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - BravoNine - 20-10-2010 05:55 PM
(20-10-2010 05:42 PM)Beatriz Wrote:(19-10-2010 08:54 PM)FATBOY Wrote:Spoiler: show
(20-10-2010 01:17 PM)Hunted Wrote: I'm with Tea Lady here. I can't see in what circumstances Ruth could be a or is 'the ultimate betrayer'. In what way would she betray the team, and why would she do this? It would be completely out of character for her, and everything we have seen in Series 9 so far.
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I stick to the theory that the ultimate betrayal was Nicholas Blake.
I'm with Tea Lady and Hunted, I also think that the ultimate bretrayal was refering to Nicholas Blake. I don't buy Ruth's being the traitor, and I don't think it's Lucas either. It's not in their blood. But if I had to choose between Ruth and Lucas, I'd say Lucas, he's the one who's making merits to say so...
I kinda agree that Ruth and Lucas are unlikely, but then again, this is Spooks so I can't be 100% sure.
Ruth and Lucas have both given up so much for their country and still remain loyal and stuck to their oath, so I can't see neither of them turning on it after going through so much to keep the country safe. Ruth gave up her life and family for this job. Lucas suffered 8 years of torture and didn't break his loyalty. I just can't see them suddenly turning on Harry and the country now.
And as for this whole Vaughn/Maya thing, I know Lucas isn't the best judge of character when it comes to women, but seriously, for a man who gave up everything for his country, he's going to just turn against it for one woman? After all that crap he endured to get back to his home at MI5, he's just gonna throw it all away for a woman he loved 15 years ago? Surely Lucas hasn't been that far gone off the rails!
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Naivety - 20-10-2010 06:11 PM
I just cannot see how Ruth is the betrayer. She gave up her entire life for Harry because not only was she in love with him, but also because if Harry had taken the blame for Mawdsley, then Mace and his cronies would have been free to change the moral compass of MI5. She truly believes in what they do.
I'm just not sure about Lucas yet, I hope he comes true but it's looking less likely.
Blake was the ultimate betrayer. He was the Home Secretary and Harry trusted him. He was devastated when Ruth revealed him at the beginning of the series. Now, it looks as though she will have to do the same again, and this time it'll be Lucas.
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - BoHenley - 20-10-2010 07:45 PM
I'm having trouble getting my head around the high probability that Lucas will betray MI5 or his country or both for the sake of a woman.
We know that
Series 9.6 Spoiler: show
Unless Lucas sacrifices himself for the team at some point (guessing in S8), then this is a poor way to end a character, and whether he lives or dies, because of his betrayal ("Albany" file etc. but looks like getting worse) his character arc must come to some sort of close. I'm hoping this could be incarceration rather than death - that would be a Spooks twist (!) plus allow the character's return.
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - BravoNine - 20-10-2010 08:01 PM
Now I'm gonna go and cry....I just can't ever believe my Lucas could ever turn on his country like this...there has to be a way to fix it!!!!
Maybe Harry and Lucas have their confrontation in Episode 7, then find a way to reverse it on Vaughn by pretending to be enemies but manages to take him down, but because Lucas did betray the Albany file, he has to go to jail. But knowing another jail sentence would destroy himself, Lucas shoots himself to end it all.
Or another Lucas death end could be that Vaughn forces Lucas to maybe do something to harm MI5, but he can't do it, therefore getting into the confrontation with Harry, but instead of following Vaughn, Lucas decides that the only way to end this is to kill himself. Puts a gun to his head and shoots. OR Harry manages to talk him down and they team up together to get Vaughn!
Or a better one, this was all just a ploy to get close to Vaughn, and Malcolm/Lucas/Harry are gonna team up to get Vaughn! The old school Spooks are back!!
This one makes me much happier!RA did say that who Lucas turned out to be even surprised him and he seemed quite pleased with the storyline, so hopefully if it is a death for Lucas, it will be a good one because RA did say that he told the producers that he didn't care as long as Lucas gets a good ending. So HOPEFULLY it will be TRUE to Lucas's character.
Either way, I'll probably end up a blubbering idiot curled up on the floor in a fetal position sucking my thumb at the end of the series.
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - WhiteSwan - 20-10-2010 09:00 PM
(20-10-2010 07:45 PM)BoHenley Wrote: I'm having trouble getting my head around the high probability that Lucas will betray MI5 or his country or both for the sake of a woman.
We know that, okay, good storyline, but threatening something against the MI5 TEAM is more feasible than threatening his lover, given Lucas's past evidence of loyalty to his country.Series 9.6 Spoiler: show
Unless Lucas sacrifices himself for the team at some point (guessing in S8), then this is a poor way to end a character, and whether he lives or dies, because of his betrayal ("Albany" file etc. but looks like getting worse) his character arc must come to some sort of close. I'm hoping this could be incarceration rather than death - that would be a Spooks twist (!) plus allow the character's return.
Actually I quite like this idea! Of course only if Lucas is in fact innocent (something I'm absolutely convinced of), which will then be discovered at some point in series 10. So that would mean he could return - and it would give RA time for both Strike Back 2 and Spooks 10. And it would be so much better than having to watch Lucas getting killed!
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - BravoNine - 20-10-2010 09:15 PM
(20-10-2010 09:00 PM)WhiteSwan Wrote:(20-10-2010 07:45 PM)BoHenley Wrote: I'm having trouble getting my head around the high probability that Lucas will betray MI5 or his country or both for the sake of a woman.
We know that, okay, good storyline, but threatening something against the MI5 TEAM is more feasible than threatening his lover, given Lucas's past evidence of loyalty to his country.Series 9.6 Spoiler: show
Unless Lucas sacrifices himself for the team at some point (guessing in S8), then this is a poor way to end a character, and whether he lives or dies, because of his betrayal ("Albany" file etc. but looks like getting worse) his character arc must come to some sort of close. I'm hoping this could be incarceration rather than death - that would be a Spooks twist (!) plus allow the character's return.
Actually I quite like this idea! Of course only if Lucas is in fact innocent (something I'm absolutely convinced of), which will then be discovered at some point in series 10. So that would mean he could return - and it would give RA time for both Strike Back 2 and Spooks 10. And it would be so much better than having to watch Lucas getting killed!
Oh I like the innocent part of the idea! I actually think a storyline like that would work perfectly!
I mean, that could that actually be a great storyline to see Lucas in jail, but this time being jailed on his own side knowing that there is no escape. Just imagine what that could do to Lucas's psyche. Then we'd get to mid series 10 when they find out that Lucas is innocent and get him out of prison but they find that Lucas's mental stability has been greatly damaged by his incarceration in his own homeland. Maybe then we'd actually get to see Harry and Lucas showing that great close bond as Harry feels responsible for what happened and tries desperately to bring the broken pieces of Lucas's rapidly fading sanity back together again.
Now that would be a great storyline for both Harry and Lucas.
I swear this series 9 has given way too many ideas for Harry/Lucas videos, I just got it stuck in my head that when Harry and Lucas have their confrontation that Lucas is gonna break down over what's happen and that Harry is gonna pick up the pieces and put Lucas back together again and fix this for everyone! I've been listening to "Pieces" by Red, and I always thought it was perfect for Lucas and Harry, especially from Lucas's point of view! And it seems to be so prophetic for series 9 too! I've written in bold some parts of the lyrics that I thought fits with series 9 or fits what I envisioned for series 9.
A broken mess, just scattered pieces of who I am
I tried so hard
Thought I could do this on my own
I've lost so much along the way
You call my name
I come to you in pieces
So you can make me whole
I've come undone
But you make sense of who I am
Like puzzle pieces in your hand
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - theeyeshaveit - 21-10-2010 02:47 AM
Ruth appears more assured, proactive and prominent to me this series (as Harry appears more uncertain about what he is doing and why he is doing it) - because
my imagination
no reason in particular just natural character progression
she is to be the bad guy
she is to be Harry's replacement because he steps away for some reason.
she is trying to take some of the strain from Harry
Number 3 will be the hardest to swallow for me. I have thought in the past the way she re-entered the series might make her a a possible person with a grudge, but everything I have seen from her and Harry this series has made me sure she would not betray her country, her team and especially Harry.
Number 4 and 5 fit what I see with both Ruth and Harry, and 5 might have them chucking it all in and walking off into a glorious sunset together.
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - BoHenley - 22-10-2010 09:30 AM
Speculation: Vaughan and Lucas were in Africa either on assignment together or linked through an MI5 case. The two of them swindled the Chinese at a gambling house or casino (there were chips in "that bag" Vaughan handed to Lucas). They blew up the casino to (a) cover their butts, and (b) escape, but also killed a heap of innocent people. Lucas/John did escape and changed his identity, Vaughan possibly got caught and was later exchanged or has been sent by the Chinese to track Lucas down (or something - sorry haven't quite worked it all out).
Lucas may then be desperate to do ANYTHING so he's not handed over to the Chinese CSS plus keep the whole thing concealed. And if Vaughan adds a threat to tell/harm Maya...then you have an agent who's one step short of psychotic. I still think the end scene will be Harry vs Lucas - I thought they'd be aiming guns at each other but I'd forgotten from those Spookses that went to the filming sessions, that (WARNING)
Series 9.8 Spoiler: show
Thoughts, anyone?
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - BravoNine - 22-10-2010 11:44 AM
(22-10-2010 09:30 AM)BoHenley Wrote: Speculation: Vaughan and Lucas were in Africa either on assignment together or linked through an MI5 case. The two of them swindled the Chinese at a gambling house or casino (there were chips in "that bag" Vaughan handed to Lucas). They blew up the casino to (a) cover their butts, and (b) escape, but also killed a heap of innocent people. Lucas/John did escape and changed his identity, Vaughan possibly got caught and was later exchanged or has been sent by the Chinese to track Lucas down (or something - sorry haven't quite worked it all out).
That actually sounds like a good storyline that I can believe in.
(22-10-2010 09:30 AM)BoHenley Wrote: Lucas may then be desperate to do ANYTHING so he's not handed over to the Chinese CSS plus keep the whole thing concealed. And if Vaughan adds a threat to tell/harm Maya...then you have an agent who's one step short of psychotic.
More like three fries short of a happy meal!
I'm not sure about the whole Lucas desperate to do anything to not be handed over to the Chinese considering that little mission into the Chinese embassy, he actually risked his own safety so that Dimitri could get out with the information needed. I know Lucas may hold fear and terror of being caught, but if he was that desperate, then he wouldn't have fought that hard to return to field status as an agent. He knew the risks of the job when he chose to return to the field.
The Maya thing still annoys me, gosh I may hate her even more than Sarah Caulfield!
(22-10-2010 09:30 AM)BoHenley Wrote: I still think the end scene will be Harry vs Lucas - I thought they'd be aiming guns at each other but I'd forgotten from those Spookses that went to the filming sessions, that (WARNING)Series 9.8 Spoiler: show
Thoughts, anyone?
Harry and Lucas is most likely the end scene, I believe that. Two strong characters in a final showdown, that's one hell of a way to end a series. Maybe now Harry will FINALLY talk with Lucas PROPERLY like he promised back in first episode of series 7?
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You know what, Lucas dying or not, either way I really don't care what happens as long as Lucas goes out a hero and not some evil traitor who only cares about himself! I refuse to believe in this character asassination if they make Lucas into the bad guy!!
