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[spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2
20-03-2011, 02:17 PM
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RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2
(09-03-2011 10:01 AM)Silktie Wrote:  
(09-03-2011 07:50 AM)xRuthx Wrote:  ^I get why he was pissed but it was still hypocritical to me seeings as Harry betrayed Lucas in the first place by leaving him in prison for eight years (or at least that's the impression I always got from Lucas in series seven about how he felt re himself and Harry).

But that's just it, it was Lucas' impression that Harry did nothing to get him back. In fact, that was what Kachimov told Lucas to convince Lucas to betray his country. Kachimov is hardly going to tell Lucas that every effort is being made to get him back, is he? It would rather defeat his purpose. We also have Ros telling Lucas that Harry sweated blood to get him back. Do we then believe Ros lied to him?

It's not like Harry could just ask nicely and the Russians would give up their prize. He had to wait until he had something to force their hand with, and unfortunately it took eight years.

There is no evidence that Harry didn't make every effort. People just assume that because that is what Lucas believed. So in light of this, did Harry really betray Lucas? If not, then he is entitled to make that comment.

I'm a little late to the conversation but I don't think it's just Lucas's impression that Harry did nothing for him. In 7x2, Lucas tells Harry (and Ros) that Kachimov used Lucas's relationship with Harry to try to turn him. "He implied that you, personally, weren't in much of a hurry to get me back." Later, he says he agreed to work for Kachimov "to get back. God knows I couldn't rely on you to do it for me." Harry doesn't contradict either of these statements.

At no time in series 7 does Harry ever give Lucas an explanation of what he (Harry) knew about Lucas's situation or what he did to try to help. Nor do we know what exactly Harry told Ros. Harry sweated blood? "Citation needed, Ros." It would have been easy for the writers to add a few lines in the 7x2 bar scene where Harry talks about how he tried to help Lucas. Ros knows, or at least suspects, that Lucas believes that Harry abandoned him. It's quite possible that she is offering comfort in the only way she knows how even if that means she has to lie.

True enough that Harry couldn't simply demand that the Russians release Lucas, but, if there's no evidence that Harry didn't make every effort to help Lucas, neither is there evidence that Harry did anything to help him. Certainly Harry has abandoned his officers to their fates on several occasions. He quickly believes Tom is a traitor, he refuses to search for Zaf at the expense of the operation in 6x1, and (although I might not be remembering this right) it's Adam, not Harry, who insists on rescuing Jo at the end of series 6. "No man left behind" is not the motto of Harry Pearce, and, to me, it seems likely that Harry wrote off Lucas pretty quickly for whatever reason.
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[spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Nitrus - 05-03-2011, 08:38 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 05-03-2011, 08:52 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Nitrus - 06-03-2011, 12:07 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - binkie - 06-03-2011, 10:52 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 07-03-2011, 06:05 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - binkie - 07-03-2011, 10:55 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 06-03-2011, 02:25 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Nitrus - 06-03-2011, 06:28 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 06-03-2011, 06:44 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - JHyde - 07-03-2011, 11:27 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 07-03-2011, 12:03 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 07-03-2011, 12:36 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - binkie - 07-03-2011, 05:22 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - binkie - 07-03-2011, 07:54 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 07-03-2011, 08:07 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 08-03-2011, 08:22 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 07-03-2011, 08:10 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 08-03-2011, 11:05 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Belle - 08-03-2011, 09:56 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 08-03-2011, 10:08 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 08-03-2011, 05:59 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - JHyde - 09-03-2011, 03:13 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 09-03-2011, 07:50 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - NightOwl - 20-03-2011 02:17 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Nitrus - 09-03-2011, 12:36 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 20-03-2011, 11:36 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 21-03-2011, 06:49 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - binkie - 22-03-2011, 06:04 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 22-03-2011, 09:39 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - binkie - 24-03-2011, 04:14 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 29-03-2011, 01:55 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 31-03-2011, 10:14 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 31-03-2011, 10:27 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 31-03-2011, 10:34 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 02-04-2011, 10:27 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 06-04-2011, 10:35 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - Byatil - 06-04-2011, 11:47 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 07-04-2011, 10:16 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - JHyde - 16-05-2011, 12:12 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas Discussion 2 - xRuthx - 26-05-2011, 12:46 AM

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