(25-10-2010 01:31 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  I think your view of Lucas is somewhat blinkered, as if you won't/can't accept that he has an agenda. From his first episode we weren't sure where Lucas' loyalties lay, with us or the Russians. So I don't know where you've got this idea of him always being loyal to his country? We don't know what he told the Russians during those 8 years. We just don't.

It's completely conceivable that his character turn without reason, it's in the nature of his job. I think it's a little bit naive to think that he will always be this dutiful figure whose loyalty doesn't falter. He's already shown us his lack of loyalty to Maya, who knows who or what else he's run away from.

(25-10-2010 01:48 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  I believe in my view, you obviously have yours. They're simply different, doesn't make one view more right than the other.

(25-10-2010 01:52 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  

(25-10-2010 01:48 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  I believe in my view, you obviously have yours. They're simply different, doesn't make one view more right than the other.

I'm not suggesting otherwise. It's just interesting to discuss it.

(25-10-2010 12:39 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  Spooks needs people to turn bad and have mysterious backgrounds, it helps the show and provides a great story arc that lasts a whole series. The Lucas thing is perhaps the best example of this being done so far.

(25-10-2010 01:17 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  

(25-10-2010 12:39 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  I disagree, I think a lot of the opinions being expressed here are from RA fans right? That makes you slightly biased, perhaps you are angry about what's being done to RA rather than what's being done to Lucas?

I am not being angry about what's been done to RA. In fact, nothing's been done to RA that I see of. He seems happy.

If I am biased, then it's because I am a Lucas fan first and always. And I care deeply about what Lucas has to go through. And I think it's a little biased to just assume that fans here are angry simply because of RA.

If RA leaves, that's fine with me, it's the nature of this show, people leave and I understand, but how they choose to exit Lucas as a character means A LOT to me. Because frankly, I invested a LONG time into this character and I do not want to see him getting a silly exit that is going to ruin one of the best things about Lucas North, his sense of duty and loyalty.

(25-10-2010 12:39 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  Spooks needs people to turn bad and have mysterious backgrounds, it helps the show and provides a great story arc that lasts a whole series. The Lucas thing is perhaps the best example of this being done so far.

Not everyone has to turn bad and have mysterious backgrounds for a show to have a great arc for a character. Plenty of shows have great stories without it. Perhaps I would be more accepting of Lucas's "treachery" if I was given something to see just how amazing Maya is that would cause Lucas to turn or what Vaughn is holding over Lucas's head. Perhaps if I see a good reason, then I can accept why a man who never turned on his country through 8 years of torture throws it all away in a span of seconds.

And honestly, this constant barrage of questioning Lucas's loyalty is getting rather tiresome. Why can't we point the finger at someone else for a change? Why is that it has to be Lucas who is mysterious and bad?

I watched 2 series of Lucas North risking everything for Queen and Country and now I'm suppose to believe that he would turn on the team without a second thought? That's to me like saying Harry is evil and is heading a large conspiracy group to take down government.

If Harry became evil, would you be excited and thrilled about the storyline without constantly questioning why or how when you've seen Harry being so loyal and good?

(25-10-2010 12:39 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  Surely as RA fans you'd welcome this storyline as a chance for RA to show a different side to the character and show his talent?

I would welcome it if it makes sense to me, and there is no doubt of RA's great talents. But however, this story DOESN'T make sense to me other than making me think that Lucas has lost whatever shred that is left of his sanity and decided to become an idiot.

I can accept the storyline if they just give me reasons of why, but right now, all those reasons are not there because they are keeping everything so secret and guarded, so it frustrates me because I simply don't see why Lucas who has always been loyal would do this.

(25-10-2010 02:52 PM)Tea Lady Wrote:  I quite agree and I am really enjoying the Lucas storyline. There are more twists and turns to come, I am sure. I never completely trusted Lucas and always thought of him as damaged by what happened to him in Russia. This perhaps explains why Harry has always seemed to have doubts about Lucas and where his loyalties lie. I am liking this story arc as we are all heavily invested in it, as opposed to the OTT Nightingale arc last season. It is believable IMO when you look back at the 3 series, and take everything into account, including Lucas' relationship and trust issues with SC.

(25-10-2010 02:52 PM)Tea Lady Wrote:  (Oh dear, just realised I used my 2000th post to talk about Lucas and not Harry..Sorry my Harry...)

(25-10-2010 03:49 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  Well of course if you only highlight the times he's shown some loyalty he comes off as very very loyal. You can't even put across a reasoned argument for his loyalty because you refuse to see both sides of the argument. Your view of Lucas is very clouded and you play him up to be this almost god-like figure when in truth he is just as flawed as everyone else.