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RE: Episode 4 Discussion - Silktie - 22-11-2009 02:52 PM
On Oleg, I didn't feel sorry for him as he was the one responsible for the bomb in the end. He was just trying to buy his own freedom by playing Lucas for a fool. I think Harry decreed that they hand him over to the Russians in an attempt to repair some of the damage recent events had caused in UK/Russia relations. Perhaps he also wanted him as far away as possible from Lucas.
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - JHyde - 22-11-2009 03:04 PM
You know, that's not a bad last point about getting the two of them split up. More convincing than trying to repair things with the Russians though - Harry has the upper hand there at the moment, although it fluctuates from week to week.
You're right though about Oleg being responsible for the bomb. I kind of forgot that.
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - Beatriz - 22-11-2009 04:02 PM
I felt a little sorry for him too (not sure why), but I also think Oleg was playing with them (mostly with Lucas, after all they lived together, they owed him nothing, so it was right to give him back to the FSB. I don't think he would be a good double agent, I wouldn't trust him at all!
I was kind of expecting Lucas' past reavealed, (most of us did) it was a necesary episode, we need to know more about Lucas being tortured by the Russians. I was really shocked by the suicide attempt, and Oleg manipulate Lucas to believe he (Oleg) save his life...
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - Nitrus - 22-11-2009 04:04 PM
I didn't like that Lucas was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.. that kind of made him less edgy & dark..
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - almh - 22-11-2009 04:05 PM
(22-11-2009 04:02 PM)Beatriz Wrote: I felt a little sorry for him too (not sure why), but I also think Oleg was playing with them (mostly with Lucas, after all they lived together, they owed him nothing, so it was right to give him back to the FSB. I don't think he would be a good double agent, I wouldn't trust him at all!
I was kind of expecting Lucas' past reavealed, (most of us did) it was a necesary episode, we need to know more about Lucas being tortured by the Russians. I was really shocked by the suicide attempt, and Oleg manipulate Lucas to believe he (Oleg) save his life...
Oh dear, Beatriz is being sympathetic to terrorists! lol.
I thought that the suicide attempt would have been earlier, but maybe he never had an opportunity. I think Oleg was experiencing some version of Stockholm syndrome - he trusted Lucas too much, maybe even love, from his speech about saving him.
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - JHyde - 22-11-2009 04:06 PM
Really? It's not exactly something he could help. I find it makes sense given Lucas' passion as a person, he's really quite susceptible to something like Stockholm.
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - Nitrus - 22-11-2009 04:11 PM
(22-11-2009 04:06 PM)JHyde Wrote: Really? It's not exactly something he could help.
Yeh I know... but I would have preferred for him dish out some cold-hearted revenge.
I always thought of Lucas as someone who would get through an ordeal like that and come through relatively unscathed...
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - Beatriz - 22-11-2009 04:12 PM
(22-11-2009 04:04 PM)Nitrus Wrote: I didn't like that Lucas was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.. that kind of made him less edgy & dark..
I think it was good, Stockholm Syndrome is such an strange and amazing (in the bad sense) "feeling" (I don't know how to call it), it's a contradiction, and Lucas being a well-trained officer suffering from this syndrome... It shows how complicated human mind is! No matter how prepared you are, life is harder than that. (I don't know if you understand me, it is difficult to me to express what I feel, I'm not very good at words
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RE: Episode 4 Discussion - JHyde - 22-11-2009 04:17 PM
That's pretty hard after 8 years in a Russian prison, I'd imagine. I know what you mean though. I get what you're saying Beatriz, and ultimately, it is a mental illness, although some people are more likely to fall under its guise.
I will go quickly OT just for a sec! and say that I'd like to understand more about Lucas as a person. He has something that Ruth has too - a love of people and places, and yet an inherent loneliness. I really hope the show sticks around long enough to explore that. And I want to see more of the dynamic between Lucas and Ruth.
OK, I'm back on topic! I loved Tariq's new get-up, with his vest. It suited him. Tariq's fun, I'm enjoying him a lot. He also looks terrific in his Santa hat
RE: Episode 4 Discussion - almh - 22-11-2009 04:20 PM
I see your point JHyde - Ruth and Lucas are very similar, although I didn't really notice it before. Both are lonely, but both are at the top of their game. Both have undergone torture (although in different ways,) but both still come back. Both have a complicated relationship with Harry atm, yet both are professional.