Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

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(10-11-2010 08:57 AM)Caitlinhg Wrote:  The essence, of the following excerpt from an interview Marlon Brando did with Dick Cavett in 1973, works as a possible point the writers were trying to make via the Lucas/John story line:

"We [human beings] couldn't survive a second if we weren't able to act," Brando said. "Acting is a survival mechanism. It's a social unguent and it's a lubricant. We act to save our lives, actually, every day. People lie constantly every day by not saying something that they think, or [by] saying something that they didn't think."

"That's not acting," Cavett countered.

"That is acting," Brando insisted.

In other words, we are ALL actors and liars, everyday, if we truthfully reflect upon our own behavior; Lucas/John's story amplified those characteristics an hundred fold, but everyone on the grid and off, tell untruths to themselves and others, regularly. What makes Lucas/John so unforgivable, or the story line (from this point of view), so far fetched? The show is a lie, too, if you get down to it. The only "truths" about the show is that it is offered for entertainment, employs some wonderfully talented and creative people and draws a devoted audience. The characters we get attached to are really, unreal or untrue, lies, so to speak, yet... we fiercely defend them as if they weren't fabrications, but REAL, family even, so... we've deluded ourselves to care for imagined people that are actually just electrons being projected to us via our screens... yet... we FEEL passionately about them!

I say "Kudos to the KUDOS writers. Well done!"

See ya all [or most of ya all] next January when S10 commences. Seeing how Harry's baby "Section D" all came about throughout the years, would be fascinating to me... wonder who would get to play the young, Harry?

Well, if you say it like that, then why the heck am I watching this show? If it's just all bunch of lies and that I should just swallow it because life is one gigantic stupid lie and that the writers can do whatever the hell they want because everything is a lie, then what distinguishes a good storyline from a bad one?

Why not just have Section D blow up? Why not just have Harry revealed to be the most evil person on the planet?

If you see it that way and it's so easy for you to accept, then is there such a thing as far-fetched?

if UFOs start showing up or evil robots or aliens, would that be okay? I mean, why not? Everything is fair game when their job is just to entertain and show untruths and lies.....aliens and ghosts are fun! Why not add them into the storylines?

Why not get a storyline of aliens attacking Thames House and Section D saving the world? Oh but it's just entertainment and a little lie? I mean, for all we know aliens exist! Who cares if it's science fiction, but it's fun!

If that's the road the writers wanna take, go ahead, but I'm not going down that ridiculous stupid pit with them.

These characters aren't liars and we can't trust what the writers write, why the hell should people be stupid enough to be devoted or connected to them? It's just silly little lies for entertainment's sake right?

I mean, if Tariq ends up an axe murderer or Harry is mentally insane, oh that's great storyline ideas, I mean, people are just liars and everything is a lie. It's perfect! Of course since this show is fake and a lie, the writers are allowed to do whatever they want, of course, who cares about logic or common sense. Let's just lie lie and lie some more!

Nobody wants logic or quality after all right? I mean, it's just a lie, who the hell cares?

I got an idea, let's revealed that the whole team faked their identities! I mean, they all lie right? So why not? Let's just reveal that Section D is actually a terrorist group hell bent on taking over the world and they're just biding their time! How cool is that!

I'm sorry but I just find it stupid. If it's a lie, if that's just how the writers are trying to justify it, then I'm done with this show. I don't care anymore, I have plenty of other shows that care more about their characters and their fans to go down this route.