Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

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(12-11-2010 07:18 PM)tastiger Wrote:  

(12-11-2010 03:17 PM)Logsie Wrote:  Anyway back to 9/8. I thought the dust had settled on John/Lucas's death but now I'm finding new straws to clutch at. Someone pointed out things to me about the rooftop scene which I hadn't noticed before. After we hear the scream and the car alarm there are clearly audible hurried footsteps and they don't sound distant like the other sounds drifting up from 26 storeys below. They sound close - very close. Also when Harry looks over the edge, he frowns, then looks to one side and then the other as if to say "where'd he go?" We don't know what Harry saw on the ground. I wonder if they have left things open so that John could turn up at a later date, or he could stay dead, depending on scripts and availability of RA.
I had already tried to conjure up a scenario where he could have survived this scene but all I could think of was that someone else crept onto that roof, possibly to take out Lucas in order to save Harry, and that L/J despatched him and threw him off the roof before making his escape. I couldn't see how he had the time though, because the other man would have to be dead or unconscious or else he'd scream all the way down. Then it dawned on me! Lucas was already on the roof, lying in wait for Harry, so there is no reason why he couldn't already have a convenient body stashed on the roof ready to chuck off. The body would be pretty messed up after a fall from that height, and L/J could have rearranged his face a bit before the drop; and nobody who knew him was on the ground, the rest of section D were still at London Bridge station. The mistake would show up at post-mortem, but by then John would be long gone.

One other thing. I'm not convinced Albany is a fake. I think the real one was in Harry's desk safe all the time and he switched it with the fake one in the church. The Chinese now believe they have a useless weapon which they will merely exploit for its deterrant value, but the British still have the real deal. Harry will have retrieved the real Albany file later and removed it to a safe location.

I love your scenario!! Now all I need is a way out for John when he killed the real Lucas....That's what I can't forgive. Can you think of a way to save our Lucas?

Lucas did use a decoy for himself earlier at the restaurant so your thought that he had another body thrown off the roof is very plausible. Also the Albany file....Harry did "conveniently" have an identical briefcase to replace with the one at the church....so again your theory does make sense.

If it wasn't for the reality of RA's very busy schedule I could see this as being the gotcha moment in series 10....

YOU should have been the writer for series 9.....

I also like the briefcase scenario. I got that suggestion on first watch. I also think you are right about Albany working. Harry has had years to think up ways to deceive all attempts on Albany.

I still haven't viewed the episode again but remember only a whirling sound which gave me the suggestion that something or somebody was on the way down from the building.

Regarding the crying at the grid, because of the editing I think they all thought Harry was going to die. Can someone explain why Harry would be standing on the rooftop 48 hours (or whatever the timeframe) later when he took the call from HS?

Of course it's a simple matter of discussing dental records in Season 10 to make the decision on John/Lucas. Then of course Lucas would have had years to compromise any files on himself.