Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

[Kirayuki]

(29-11-2010 10:43 PM)binkie Wrote:  Even if we hand wave the total lack of continuity with established information regarding the role of memory in the characterisation of Lucas, there is still an almighty problem attached to this device in the internal politics of season 9: If Lucas cannot remember that he is John, what is there for him to be careful about? Even if he is referring to a general carefulness, undertaken in the early days of his deception (and I may have to bleach my brain after posting this), that line to Ruth places her absolutely at the centre of fear of discovery. I ask again: a discovery of what? Applying the so-hidden-he-is-hidden-even-from-Lucas logic of John's place in a deep dark hole in the deep dark middle of Lucas' apparently impenetrable memory of personal identity, surely there can be no awareness of anything waiting to be discovered, or needing to be hidden..

That one did shout at me... I think it again depends on whether you can view Lucas and John as two separate people.

It may be John saying that he was so careful not to be discovered by Lucas, as well as by anyone else. (Ruth does at one point start saying that she wants to speak to Lucas...)

In this case, Lucas isn't the one being careful until about mid-way series 9 when he starts to do bad things and knows he can get caught for them. He manages to cover his tracks in terms of mysterious phone calls and loitering to an extent, which is really all he could see himself needing to o until John became more apparent.

(I hope this makes sense and it's not just waffle. I'm trying to work at the same time here. )