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[spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.
27-10-2010, 03:15 PM
Post: #120
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.
Excelsior! Now we are having a conversation. I have not read the spoilers and I do not know the secret, nor do I wish to know until it is revealed on the show. I still don't think that his actions in S9 are completely out of Lucas' character. He has always had this duality, it just hasn't been explored thoroughly until now.

I think this points out though, one of the reasons this thread has been so annoying to me that I almost gave up on it: the inclination to put the cart before the horse. Don't judge it until you see it. As NW said in an interview, Spooks is like a shark, it keeps moving. If you are going to watch it, you have to be able to roll with the punches and allow the characters to evolve, sometimes in some seriously whacked-out ways. That is not to say that any of us are not allowed to say, nope, that doesn't work for me, it just means that you have to give it chance before you give up on it. However, I will be curious to see how others in "Give us a good reason" camp think of this revelation.

And if I may just put this out there, another annoyance for me has been those that have been saying that if Lucas is ruined, Spooks is ruined. These are the words of those who are fixated on one character and not Spooks as a whole. One is, of course, allowed to watch or not watch the programme as they see fit, but if one were a fan of the show, the ruination of one character would not affect ones viewing habits. That mindset ignores the overall effect of Spooks. Which is unfortunate in my mind.

Great ideas though BravoNine. One to ponder. To add to it, Skully has posed an interesting theory re: Lucas/Maya in the Spooks FanBlog. If I am interpreting her words correctly, it is not so much about his love for Maya that is the leverage but rather what she represents to Lucas. Maya represents a piece of Lucas' "self," perhaps what could be termed as his "real self," that he lost/gave up/forfeit a long time ago and had forgotten/denied. By connecting with her, he is connecting with his "real self." Perhaps Maya was the only good part of that lost self?

And BTW, denial of ones self is a big part of Kierkegaard. Denying ones true self is a sure path to despair. I'd say Lucas is deep in despair. The Sickness Unto Death is despair.

Once he would gladly have given everything to be rid of this agony, but he was kept in waiting; now it is too late, now he would rather rage against everything and be the wronged victim of the whole world and of all life, and it is of particular significance to him to make sure that he has his torment on hand and that no one takes it away from him... What demonic madness — the thought that most infuriates him is that eternity could get the notion to deprive him of his misery. ~Kierkegaard The Sickness Unto Death

Now cracks a noble heart. Good-night, sweet [Spooks];
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

~Wm. Shakespeare, Hamlet
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[spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - JHyde - 03-10-2010, 10:26 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - almh - 03-10-2010, 06:41 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - khandy - 04-10-2010, 06:40 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - JHyde - 04-10-2010, 08:01 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - khandy - 04-10-2010, 10:16 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - redlyn - 04-10-2010, 09:54 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Aria - 04-10-2010, 11:27 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Aria - 14-10-2010, 02:03 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - JHyde - 16-10-2010, 04:04 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - deebab - 16-10-2010, 02:41 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - deebab - 17-10-2010, 09:23 AM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - deebab - 17-10-2010, 07:40 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Logsie - 21-10-2010, 04:20 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - redlyn - 21-10-2010, 04:46 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - redlyn - 21-10-2010, 05:22 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - redlyn - 21-10-2010, 06:32 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 25-10-2010, 12:39 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 25-10-2010, 01:31 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 25-10-2010, 01:52 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - khandy - 25-10-2010, 03:44 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 25-10-2010, 03:49 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - khandy - 25-10-2010, 04:32 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - deebab - 25-10-2010, 09:17 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 26-10-2010, 07:15 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - khandy - 26-10-2010, 07:35 PM
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RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 26-10-2010, 08:01 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - A Cousin - 27-10-2010 03:15 PM
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RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Logsie - 29-10-2010, 02:04 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - Nitrus - 29-10-2010, 08:54 PM
RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas. - redlyn - 31-10-2010, 11:42 PM
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