[spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.
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27-11-2010, 09:33 AM
(This post was last modified: 27-11-2010 09:39 AM by Belle.)
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RE: [spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.
(26-11-2010 11:03 PM)binkie Wrote: Belle, I think perhaps I am older and more cynical than you . I do appreciate the point you are making, (I realise you are not suggesting that Lucas wishes he had a time machine!) and I wish I interpreted the character and his motives in the same way. But I don’t. I’m not sure I see any indication of a desire on Lucas’ part to feel as he felt. Certainly, he is confounded and distressed by his inability to identify and experience the full, subtle range of human emotions. We must assume he has been capable of this. Elisabeta as much as lays this out for him, and us, when she more or less accuses him of being unrecognisable (That little scene in Elisabeta’s kitchen could support a lengthy analysis of its own, I suspect. There is so much going on, so much of it unsaid - and none of it anything to do with the disastrous and objectionable misinterpretation of it undertaken by season 9). My understanding of the character from this point, though, is very much of someone who is impelled to move forward. Yes, he still fetishes Elisabeta: he strokes and kisses her hair, he holds her waist, he tells her how he has missed her. But I see these actions as indicators of the survivor iteration of Lucas’ psyche. Thinking of Elisabeta (not of England or MI5) has been one of Lucas’ survival rituals for eight years. It has kept him alive, kept his mind active, and provided him with a connection to the emotional world (rather than the professional or operative world) outside prison. It’s hard to let that go. This is not necessarily so much a sign of lingering affection for Elisabeta as it is a fulfilment of the human need to need: specifically, to need something perfect and unobtainable (God is an obvious example of this, but there are others). Well, I'm 33 and I can be quite cynical, but I must admit that I can be very naïve too . I think I get what you mean Binkie, you say Lucas is wanting to want. That the 8 years of imprisonment has left him hollow and deprived of an ability to wish for feelings, that he instead wishes he could want something more than the flatness he's undergoing now. Is this a right interpretation? I can appreciate your point of view, it certainly is more elequantly put than mine, I'm not very good with words. There's one thing in your post I'm having a bit of 'problems' with. You say that we must sepperate the issue of trust from the issue of security. In my mind, however, I don't think that one can feel safe or secure when one isn't felt trusted. To me, those two go together without a doubt. I'll explain: I see trust as the ability to be truely who you are with someone, no masks, no hidden agenda's, no fear to make mistakes becuase they will be forgiven.(I mean mistakes on human level, when you work for MI5 the stakes are too high in terms of human lives and safety of the world, to be granted 'mistakemaking'). When you can be yourself, when you are sure whomever you are trusted by will not stab you in the back, so to speak, I see that as a feeling of safety. Maybe this is again too naïve of me. So I'm awaiting your view on this point ( I will gladly blame myself ), maybe you can put this in a more clear light. (26-11-2010 11:03 PM)WhiteSwan Wrote: Quite frankly, the only reason for me to watch S9 again would be to find more plotholes. And even then I would never want to torment myself by watching any scenes with JB. In episode 1 to 6 there were enough scenes with Lucas to enjoy - and the rest of the series is something I want to erase from my mind, because JB never existed and for me that whole storyline is too ridiculous to waste any more thoughts about it. That's a great idea! I await your list eagerly, thanks for that in advance, I can bring myself to watch S9 again, yet. I guess you could start a new thread 'Plotholes' under 'Season 9' in MI5 operations. Good luck!!!! It's "a struggle for heaven and earth. Where there is one law: fight or die. And one rule: resist or serve."
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