[spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.

[binkie]

(27-11-2010 09:33 AM)Belle Wrote:  I think I get what you mean Binkie, you say Lucas is wanting to want. That the 8 years of imprisonment has left him hollow and deprived of an ability to wish for feelings, that he instead wishes he could want something more than the flatness he's undergoing now.
Is this a right interpretation?
I can appreciate your point of view, it certainly is more elequantly put than mine, I'm not very good with words.

That's exactly what I mean. I hope you realise I'm not suggesting you are wrong to see a different set of motivations underlying Lucas' behaviour (and I'm not dismissing you or your understanding of the character as naive). I'm just trying to explain myself

(27-11-2010 09:33 AM)Belle Wrote:  There's one thing in your post I'm having a bit of 'problems' with.
You say that we must sepperate the issue of trust from the issue of security.
In my mind, however, I don't think that one can feel safe or secure when one isn't felt trusted. To me, those two go together without a doubt.
I'll explain: I see trust as the ability to be truely who you are with someone, no masks, no hidden agenda's, no fear to make mistakes becuase they will be forgiven.(I mean mistakes on human level, when you work for MI5 the stakes are too high in terms of human lives and safety of the world, to be granted 'mistakemaking'). When you can be yourself, when you are sure whomever you are trusted by will not stab you in the back, so to speak, I see that as a feeling of safety.
Maybe this is again too naïve of me.
So I'm awaiting your view on this point ( I will gladly blame myself ), maybe you can put this in a more clear light.

I have to say, the idea of appreciating security and trust as slightly separate strands of significance in Lucas' post-release readjustment mechanism was something that occurred to me only as I typed my response to your post. I haven't quite thought it through yet, and there is every chance I will discover - upon further analysis - that I am absolutely wrong about this. You are quite right, I think, to point out the number of ways in which there exists such an intricate set of relationships between the two concepts of trust and security. I accept that they are fundamentally coexistent values. I'll see what happens to my theory when I apply a bit of pressure to it

You really must not worry about your ability to express yourself. Your grasp of many of the more subtle elements of Lucas' character and situation is one of the things that is keeping me thinking about stuff like this. I'm very grateful for that