[spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.

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(19-01-2011 02:35 PM)HellsBells Wrote:  Ros would have found out about Vaughn and Maya I'm sure a lot faster than anyone else but once it was revealed that Lucas was John, who had lied for 15 years and blew up a British Embassy, it was always going to end badly. The crime that John did was so bad, killing innocent people (some of whom were British) for no reason, there could be no redemption. I'm starting to sound like I actually believe in series 9........*runs away screaming*

NOOOOOOOOOO That must never happen!!!!! *shoves HellsBells away from Series 9*

YOU MUST NOT FALL TO THE DARK SIDE!!!!

But to be honest, even then there is always a way out. Yes he bombed the embassy, yes he faked his identity, but he could have told them that he was manipulated by Vaughn, that he was a stupid young man who didn't know what was really happening, and that Vaughn killed the real Lucas, and Lucas/John took on his identity to redeem himself and joined MI5.

I mean, who would know if what he said wasn't the truth? And who would they believe more? Vaughn or Lucas? If they had avoided the whole Vaughn/Lucas confrontation, maybe then Lucas wouldn't have gone on the run, maybe if they had just kept a little more control on Lucas, this whole Albany crazy thing would have been stopped, Maya would be alive and Lucas wouldn't have gone loco at the end.

Would he be punished for what happened 15 years ago in Dakar? Probably, but his years of service and the fact that 8 years in Russia and he still never told them a thing should mean something. And if Ros could return to be Section Chief after her little betrayal act with Yalta, then why should the actions of a manipulated young man from 15 years ago who has now become a good loyal agent be so severely punished?

Maybe if all this craziness hadn't happened, they could have worked out some plea bargain or some other deal. If Lucas was the one being manipulated by Vaughn in Dakar, then it would be Vaughn who would be ultimately held responsible, Lucas could have gotten off with a lighter sentence if he stuck to his story that he didn't know what was in the briefcase.

I still fully believe that if things had been stopped sooner, Lucas could have survived, but since everyone seemed to have their mid-life crisis in Series 9, Lucas's activities went ignored and it snow-balled into this whole mess!

(19-01-2011 02:35 PM)HellsBells Wrote:  

(19-01-2011 10:41 AM)binkie Wrote:  A confrontation with Ros would also have saved us from what seemed to me to be somewhat un-earned sanctimony on the part of Harry in the Lucas-is-John revelation scenes.

Yes Harry did seem to take the moral high-ground. If we are to believe that Lucas had been lying for 15 years why did he tell Harry everything in 9.7. Okay, so John was in Dakar with Lucas, why didn't he just say they had an argument, Lucas got killed in a fight and John fled the country with his passport. Harry didn't know that Lucas and Vaughn were 'partners' other than presumably Beth identifying Vaughn in the playground, and he hadn't connected them to the bombing, so why tell Harry so much?

This is why Series 9 never made any sense and keeps on contradicting itself.

So Lucas tells Harry what happened in Dakar about the bombs and how Vaughn manipulated him, so why did then on the roof Harry asks Lucas, "if you knew what you were doing, then why didn't you stop?"

I mean, what does Harry mean Lucas knew? That he knew about the bomb? And how did Harry knew Lucas knew about the bomb if no one else is alive who can verify that since Lucas never told Harry?

And better yet, Lucas told Ruth that he was so careful, then why the hell did Lucas even slip to Harry that he was in Dakar in the first place? I mean, it was Harry's suspicion of why they never knew Lucas was in Dakar that put Beth on the trail of finding out what Lucas was doing and discovering the real Lucas North! It was stupid!

I would think that Lucas at least had some semblance of intelligence to not let something that important just slip his mind!