Series 9 Episode 6 discussion

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(27-10-2010 08:17 AM)Silktie Wrote:  

(27-10-2010 06:31 AM)BravoNine Wrote:  

(26-10-2010 10:11 PM)NightOwl Wrote:  By way of a partial explanation for Lucas's actions, though, he doesn't know that she spied on him and must have overheard about Albany. He must assume that if she knows about it then she must be working with Vaughn or whoever Vaughn is working for. He does know that he can't reach Harry, but he doesn't know why or who is pretending to be Harry. Not saying it's his finest moment, but given the circumstances, I think it's possible he believed she was an enemy agent, and he wasn't motivated entirely by self-interest.

I can't believe that I never thought of this myself, and I agree!!!

He doesn't know that she spied on him about Albany. When she spoke about not telling anyone about the Albany file, he could have just assumed that she is related to the whole Vaughn thing. And coupled with the situation happening on the Grid that he knew the Grid was compromised, he could have assumed that she was working with Vaughn or whoever is targeting the Grid. That makes a lot of sense, and it's very plausible considering Lucas's surprise at her mentioning Albany. So he could have let her die knowing he can't save her anyways, and the possibility that she may be an enemy, so in this way he can protect the Grid, Maya, and himself.

Nope, sorry, I have to disagree, lol. He did know she spied on him and Malcolm because she told him so. She confronted him about what he was doing with Malcolm and what was in the mystery package.

All she said was that she didn't trust him and she threatened to tell her people about Lucas losing the security detail and going to that house, that he was lying to her. She didn't mention the package or Albany until at the very end when he was surprised to hear her say those words.

If he had wanted her dead just because she confronted him about meeting with Malcolm and having the mysterious package and was afraid that she was going to tell and wanting to save his own butt, then he wouldn't have bothered to try and save her when the shoot-out started, I mean, he could have just killed her because of the fake-Harry's kill order and no one would know what he did wrong.

He had been full-on saving her right up until "Albany" was mentioned as she laid there dying and that's when he had a look of shock and surprise. If he had known she was spying on him, why didn't he get rid of her earlier? He had a kill-order, he could have easily used that to cover up killing her and no one would have blamed him either.

So it is my belief that Lucas didn't think she knew anything even when she was confronting him about the meeting with Malcolm. He didn't see her as a threat, in fact he tried to save her. It wasn't until she mentioned Albany did he stopped trying to save her. So in his mind, he could have easily thought she was working with Vaughn or that something had happened on the Grid and that she was involved in it.

And as for getting her shot, even that isn't entirely Lucas's fault. Fake-Harry did initiate a kill-order and if Lucas was to carry it out, he would have to loose the American security detail anyways, so either way he would have ended up in that meeting place by himself with the girl so that he can kill her without the Americans finding out or stopping it.

A mix of circumstances (some Lucas's doing, some not) led to that shoot-out and that girl getting shot. He will definitely have to shoulder a lot of the blame for the girl's death, after all he did stop trying to save her and let her die (even though she would have been dead anyways) but not all of it was his fault.

This is quite a hole that Lucas is digging himself into, but as now that I finally know what secret Lucas is so afraid to come out, I can see why he didn't just confess to Harry or why he fears to tell Maya the truth. That is quite a terrible secret Lucas is carrying, and certainly a secret that would destroy Lucas's life if it came out. No wonder he's gone all levels of crazy to prevent the past from coming back. Although if Ros can be welcomed back with open arms after her betrayal, surely there can be a way for Lucas to redeem himself too!

I'm beginning to wonder if this whole John/Lucas thing is gonna end up being multiple-personality disorder or something! Maybe the surprise ending is that Lucas is sent away to a clinic to help him? I don't think we've ever have one like that before.