Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

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(09-11-2010 02:42 AM)AnnMarie Wrote:  Regarding this season: Plot holes the size of the Grand Canyon, total disrespect for an audience of intelligent people and irrational character (I can't even use the word development because it doesn't fit) deconstruction. How did they address significant plot questions, easy, they DIDN'T! It is as if the show was written by 16 people, who have never seen the last 2 series, locked in separate closets and each told to write a script which was then merged into one. This episode was that discombobulated. And has anyone else noticed that the Alec call up was eerily similar to that of John Porter in Strike Back?

All I asked for was plausibility and that we were denied.

They tried to address those plot issues, like how Lucas got into MI5, but it was just an excuse, that because Lucas had done all the vetting, John just easily swooped in....wow I'd like to think MI5's security was better than that....

Plausibility and logic went out the window the moment they stepped on this Lucas-Is-John train and decided not to get off.

And really, adding those flashes from Series 7 and 8 were just like rubbing salt on the wound. And honestly, I don't think I'll ever heal from this.

I've accepted a lot of character exits for my favorites over the years, however sad, however twisted, they made sense and I made peace with it, I didn't whine or complain because I understood it all, and that the storylines made sense, I can see the logic, but this time, this is the first time ever that a storyline has never made sense to me, I expected better from a show of this great caliber.

(09-11-2010 02:42 AM)AnnMarie Wrote:  Ruth, get over yourself. You are not a spring chicken anymore and Harry just sacrificed everything for you so suck it up and marry the man when he needs you most. Or else you'll start to remind us of the catatonic Maya.

You know, I didn't think Lucas was qualified to give anyone marriage advice, but I rest my case this time because Lucas was right when he told Ruth to go for it! If even Lucas can see it, damn it Ruth, why can't you!

(09-11-2010 02:42 AM)AnnMarie Wrote:  My darling Mr. Armitage. Your acting was everything I could have hoped for, I felt your pain when Maya died although I did not understand it as she seemed cold to you, but I blame the writers for that and not you. Thank you for the previous 2 series of our hero Lucas which is how I, and the fans, will always remember him. He will live in on in our fanfic as Guy does.

Richard Armitage is the saving grace of this storyline, he played this tortured tormented soul so well that for one hour, I even forgot the gigantic plot holes and found myself so drawn into the story! He was brilliant, perfect, so haunting, chilling, yet loving and conflicted. And Peter Firth and Nicola Walker both deserves their praises too for leveling the playfield with Richard and bringing in this strong great chemistry! The scenes with Lucas/Ruth and Lucas/Harry would not have worked had it not been for these three brilliant actors carrying the torch!

And as for the Lucas that we all loved so much, the Lucas that I still believe was in there this episode, despite the darkness of John Bateman, I think I did see a shred of Lucas shining through, that part of him that still wanted to protect his team, that still did not want to hurt them anymore than he needed to. He's in there and he decided to end this. In my head, I'll always believe that this monster called John is another personality inside Lucas, and while John may have succeeded in destroying the life Lucas loved, Lucas did make the ultimate sacrifice, he ended this dark monster of John, made sure John could not hurt anyone, including himself. In my head, I'll keep telling myself that. That Lucas won, he jumped because he wanted to stop John, he died a hero.

Good thing I already started my fanfic storyline on this forum, or else this episode would have broken my heart so much that I would not be able to write anything!

(09-11-2010 02:42 AM)AnnMarie Wrote:  Lucas North: Rest in Peace- I believe in you

Me too! I'll never stop believing in you!

(09-11-2010 02:54 AM)Adam Carter Wrote:  No way Alec is the new Section Chief. The grid needs a dynamic new presence to help fix what is sure to be a mess next year. Very much an Adam redux situation, IMO.

A bit like Adam, but I think when Adam died, it was not hell breaking loose on the Grid. Harry was there, Ros was there, and Lucas was there to back everyone up. The team was together. As much as it hurt to loose Adam, they still had each other, the team was ready to go and get revenge.

But this time, this is not like before. The Grid is truly broken this time. Harry, their father figure is under attack. Ruth, their mother figure is in emotional turmoil. Lucas, their big brother figure is dead and left behind a trail of shattered hearts. Dimitri, Beth, and Tariq are not ready, they're neither experienced nor hardened enough to take control of the Grid, they're like kids lost in the crowd and looking for someone to give them direction. They're just babies in this world, taking their first step, except now the three people they are counting on are the ones in danger of breaking and loosing it all. And really, who could they take their revenge from? Lucas? The big brother who is now dead? Even if the team comes to hate him, there's always gonna be a part of them that still loves him, still cares, who knew Lucas North's death would shake up so many people?

This is not gonna be easy to come back from.

And I hope to God that Alec fellow is not new Section Chief or new anything, in fact, I found him to be irritating....