Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

[binkie]

(29-11-2010 10:49 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  

(29-11-2010 10:20 PM)Kirayuki Wrote:  Ah, okay. I'll give you that one.

Maybe John didn't know Lucas was registered with the gym?

Well...like I said, he sure did a silly job, he was bound to be caught, I should slap him silly for being so careless...

(29-11-2010 10:43 PM)binkie Wrote:  What bothers me most about that line - and this really is a plot hole - is the extent to which it shows up, yet again, the paucity of logical thought that went into the construct of the Lucas-is-John storyline. Yes, we're back to that...

The underlying thread of explanation for this plotline relies on an acceptance of Lucas' memory as an unreliable and compromised thing. Effectively, he has to be reminded that he is John (feel my pain as I type those ridiculous words), and he has to prompt himself to recall all those pieces of John's life - including Maya - as they are contained in the briefcase of doom. Vaughan has to tell John that he is a conscious and knowing killer, that's how bad John's memory is of himself.

Even if we hand wave the total lack of continuity with established information regarding the role of memory in the characterisation of Lucas, there is still an almighty problem attached to this device in the internal politics of season 9: If Lucas cannot remember that he is John, what is there for him to be careful about? Even if he is referring to a general carefulness, undertaken in the early days of his deception (and I may have to bleach my brain after posting this), that line to Ruth places her absolutely at the centre of fear of discovery. I ask again: a discovery of what? Applying the so-hidden-he-is-hidden-even-from-Lucas logic of John's place in a deep dark hole in the deep dark middle of Lucas' apparently impenetrable memory of personal identity, surely there can be no awareness of anything waiting to be discovered, or needing to be hidden.

And then there's the issue of identity under torture, which is a whole other web of nastiness indulged in by the moral logic of this season. But that's a much further extension of the point made by WhiteSwan, so I'll stop before I get stuck in rant mode.

This is my brain's reaction to Binkie's analysis =

so...Binkie, would you like to write my research paper for me because clearly your brain is functioning on a much better level than mine is right now LOL

Ha! I love that smiley I'm afraid that plot hole analysis may represent the last moments of brain function for me today. Good luck with your paper. If your commitment to your subject is anything like your commitment to this forum, I can only assume you will be bringing the WOW factor