[spoilers] Harry and Lucas

[A Cousin]

Back onto Harry and Lucas topic and not the writers screwed it up topic.... ()

(06-12-2010 11:40 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  You are right, Harry is not his buddy or father or psychologist, but any good boss in that line of business should know when his own team is in trouble, after all as team leader, isn't his job to make sure his team is ready?

As Silktie mentions, perhaps THAT was the real starting point - Harry letting Lucas come back in the first place knowing how damaged he was? It certainly would explain why they always seem wary of each other.

(06-12-2010 11:40 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  Harry himself said that he is responsible for Lucas's physical and mental well-being, so while he is simply the boss, he himself admits that he is in some way shape or form, in charge of looking out for Lucas.

Which I think is Harry placing an unrealistic amount of responsibility on his own shoulders.

(06-12-2010 11:40 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  Yes Lucas wouldn't be one to listen to reason at that point and Harry's job is to his country, but for a man who claims to be responsible for Lucas and seemingly wants to get him out of trouble, his tone was insincere and his actions speaks volumes that clearly Lucas is not his top priority. And really, was Harry's words on that roof top really the best way to go? Push a man who's already teetering over the edge into breaking apart?

It's really more of the roof top that pissed me off more than anything else. Just Harry's whole righteous tone and "regnum defende, whatever the cost", it's no wonder Lucas smacked him. Harry had stood there and said words that he knew would push Lucas's already fragile psyche spinning into the abyss and he did nothing to stop it. Sure he said he wants to help, but it was too little too late.

Lucas didn't smack him after his "regnum defende, whatever the cost" line, I believe Lucas smacked him after Harry tried to find some common ground in pointing out that he is doing it for love as well. I think Harry fully expected to die on that roof (even if we knew he probably would not) and was trying to either expedite the process or since those were his last moments, had no reason to couch them in anything but brutally exposed honesty. He had no expectation of saving Lucas or himself in that moment.

I agree with the idea that by the time they got to the rooftop scene, it was too little, too late. The jig was up and there was no turning back. I don't think there was a damn thing Harry could have said or done to or for Lucas in that moment that would have saved both of their lives, and Harry knew that. Lucas chose to take his own life rather than Harry's. Harry had tried giving Lucas a chance to redeem himself, against his (Harry's) better judgement, which Lucas chose to piss away.