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Series 9 Rumours & Speculation
07-11-2010, 12:18 AM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2010 12:19 AM by binkie.)
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RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation
(06-11-2010 10:15 PM)watchstrap Wrote:  I've been watching the show pretty much from the start and have sat with big box of tissues on more than one occasion. Yes, there are plot holes and general madness. I mean, who really thinks that the security of the nation is dependent on a handful of people. It's called Drama and you just have to suspend your disbelief and go along for the ride. Otherwise it would be called a documentary!

Anyway, it's a superb show and I get a bit peeved with the Johnny Come Latelys who just want to pick it all apart. It seems that just because their favourite actor secures Spooks as their next gig, they think they will give the show a look and then when the character development/exit doesn't go their way it's all wrong.

Yes, I agree that the love interests are tedious and wooden. That's part of the laugh. Maya played by someone from Footballers Wives and Strictly Come Dancing. What were you expecting, the acting skills of Judi Dench? But on the plus side we have the stirling work of RA, PF and NW to enjoy.

Something that's struck me this season is that for a change, we the audience have been in on the secret from the start (or have we?). I prefer this to the usual mad dash for the twist in the last 10 mins. Lot's of lame shows go down this road because it's easy for people to understand. I don't think S9 has been lazy writing, it's been great.

Apart from Tom, most of our heroes/heroines have had a typical Spooks Boys/Girls Own death. They have all been fantastically loyal and brave and then died a heroes death by bomb, bullet, boat trip down the Thames. Just for a change I would love to see someone exit as a broken man, showing just how f**ked up they are by it all. Wouldn't that be realistic writing?

Anyway, ranting over. The thing I was going to say was that in today's Daily Mail that I filtched a look at round the Mother-in-law's said that Episode 8 was different from all the other finales in that noth is left ambiguous, nothing at all! Bring on tomorrow night!
Got carried away there....Monday night!

It's a really interesting point you make about the 'heroic' death (although it's possibly a little harsh to suggest that anyone expressing alarm at the character of season 9 is necessarily a Johnny Come Lately with unreasonable expectations of consistency!).

One of the things that Spooks has done really well in relation to Lucas is to make the point, repeatedly and coherently, that there is a sense in which the Service would almost have preferred him to have died in prison. Rehabilitating and reintegrating someone as damaged as Lucas most surely is comes with all manner of risks and compromises. The show has illustrated a number of these: inability to acknowledge limitations or ask for help, inability to communicate intent, inability to judge risk away from the field, over-developed rationalisation of personal risk, not to mention his apparent rescue fetish! If Lucas had died in prison, he could have been noted as an heroic sacrifice and that would have been a tidy - if unfortunate - end of it.

If the conclusion of season 9 is that Lucas-is-John this only adds a further dimension of misery as, if he had died in prison, it would have been perceived as Lucas' heroic sacrifice, with the Service none the wiser as to his shoddy past. Being returned to England will only have ensured that whatever the nature of his demise, it will be that of a traitor. Somewhat bleakly, a miserable, abandoned, hopeless death would have been recorded as heroism.

Of course, if Lucas-is-Lucas, the idea that he could die an igominious death even after surviving prison has its own special misery. And now I've just made myself depressed Confused Well done me!
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Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nitrus - 07-05-2010, 01:55 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 17-05-2010, 03:49 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Aria - 29-05-2010, 11:01 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Aria - 30-05-2010, 09:12 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 30-05-2010, 12:59 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 30-05-2010, 03:41 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Aria - 31-05-2010, 03:33 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Katja - 23-06-2010, 11:30 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 22-06-2010, 09:34 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 22-06-2010, 11:16 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 23-06-2010, 11:10 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 25-06-2010, 02:58 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Katja - 28-06-2010, 11:32 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 25-06-2010, 09:07 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 30-06-2010, 06:34 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 30-06-2010, 02:28 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 01-07-2010, 12:14 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 01-07-2010, 12:09 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 01-07-2010, 02:17 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 09-07-2010, 09:15 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 09-07-2010, 09:39 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 09-07-2010, 09:58 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 09-07-2010, 10:08 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 09-07-2010, 03:47 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Nia M - 10-07-2010, 11:48 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 10-07-2010, 06:46 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 15-07-2010, 08:11 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 18-07-2010, 06:39 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 18-07-2010, 07:57 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 18-07-2010, 09:38 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 22-07-2010, 03:22 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 10-08-2010, 10:48 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 09-09-2010, 12:34 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 26-09-2010, 02:31 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Fred - 26-09-2010, 01:39 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Aria - 26-09-2010, 12:07 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - JHyde - 29-09-2010, 08:35 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 02-10-2010, 09:31 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 16-10-2010, 10:16 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Annie - 23-10-2010, 10:10 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 23-10-2010, 05:40 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Maike - 24-10-2010, 02:29 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 26-10-2010, 10:03 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 27-10-2010, 10:13 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 30-10-2010, 01:31 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Annie - 01-11-2010, 02:29 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Annie - 01-11-2010, 02:36 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 02-11-2010, 06:08 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - KiKi - 02-11-2010, 10:20 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - arwyn - 03-11-2010, 11:03 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - arwyn - 03-11-2010, 11:54 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Katja - 04-11-2010, 12:54 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Katja - 04-11-2010, 11:49 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Floz - 04-11-2010, 07:48 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Quill - 04-11-2010, 08:59 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Floz - 04-11-2010, 09:32 PM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - binkie - 07-11-2010 12:18 AM
RE: Series 9 Rumours & Speculation - Angie - 07-11-2010, 10:08 PM

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