[spoilers] Hermione Norris/Ros

[Aria]

(20-09-2010 10:20 PM)Tea Lady Wrote:  (Does anyone know the reading Ruth made at the funeral?)

Its Ode on Solitude by Alexander Pope. He wrote it when he was 12!! You can read the whole poem here

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/ode-on-solitude/

[Tea Lady]

(20-09-2010 11:43 PM)Aria Wrote:  

(20-09-2010 10:20 PM)Tea Lady Wrote:  (Does anyone know the reading Ruth made at the funeral?)

Its Ode on Solitude by Alexander Pope. He wrote it when he was 12!! You can read the whole poem here

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/ode-on-solitude/

Oh wow. Thanks Aria.

[Kazters]

i have to say that wasnt what i was expecting, it was almost as if only harry was bothered about her

7 people at her fiuneral where was her mum and surley her father would have got out of prison for his daughters funeral?

as much as i liked last nights ep there was a large ros shapped hole -

i did love how much harry was upset by her death

[Tea Lady]

I think the woman was supposed to be her mother which is why she ignored Harry and his team. As for the older man, who knows? Perhaps an uncle, a new partner to her mother.

I do wonder whether the new HS would have turned up or even the DG in real life, if an officer died saving the HS and preventing nuclear war. I know it's all kept secret, but still, a member of the government could have gone.

Ros did say in 8.4 I think, that she only wanted a quiet funeral. Just friends and family. Well her only family were there and all her friends. Her friends being Harry and the team.

[JHyde]

Jonnobaas_sea posed on the 8.8 discussion thread that Ros' exit was a really bad one.

I disagree with this. I think 8.8 was full of wonderful Ros lines, the best of which was quoted in 9.1's teaser: 'the only thing I regret about death is not being there to see it'. I think her final actions with Price and then the baby HS were positively heroic and also funny to the end.

Ros went out in a very Ros way. I couldn't think of a better way, and I say that as someone who was considering writing Ros out in an alternate way in her fic.

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OK, I could be totally wrong about this, but I could have sworn the poem was Benjamin Franklin's. Poor Richard, 1744.

[Nia M]

As much as I did not want to see Ros go, I think her exit was handled very well. As Jhyde said, 'Ros went out in a very Ros way.'

'Not really part of the job description.'
Doing her duty (and going beyond) right to the very end.

'My only regret about dying is not being around to know what it's like.'
Again, absolutely YES. (And even if she's only saying this in order to get the location out of Price, it's still a fantastic line.)


Re the woman at the funeral: I think it was her mother. As for the man with her, no clue, but I suppose an uncle / mother's new partner woudl be plausible (the former more so).

Ros' death had me crying, I'll admit. The reading of the poem, the fact that only six people came to say goodbye (although how many people do you reckon that came to her first funeral would have actually been informed that she hadn't died then? ) and also the link back to the 'Colleagues are okay' scene with the 'Liked might be a bit strong' (or similar - can't remember exactly, but thank goodness for some continuity! ) from Lucas... I do think it was a fitting farewell to her, and

Series 7.1 and 8.8/9.1 Spoiler: show

Also, both Ros and Adam went out in flames? Hmm, wonder if we could make anything out of that?

Jhyde Wrote:OK, I could be totally wrong about this, but I could have sworn the poem was Benjamin Franklin's. Poor Richard, 1744.

Nope, the poem was definitely Alexander Pope's 'Ode on Solitude'. Which I though was absolutely perfect, particularly the lines 'Thus let me live, unheard, unknown | Thus unlamented let me die' and 'not a stone tell where I lie.' So completely Ros.

[JHyde]

Check this please: have we just discovered that Franklin was a plagiarist? God, I hope not. Pope wrote this at 12, which would ballpark it at about 1700.

[Nia M]

Blimey! That's exactly the same as the 3rd stanza onwards of Pope's poem, so perhaps Franklin was a plagiarist after all

[JHyde]

I'm totally fascinated by this. It could also be what Jung terms crytonesia, accidental plagiarism, but for now I'm going to contact a friend who knows more about Franklin than I do.

Whoever wrote it, it's still a magnificent piece of writing. I can't have been the first to stumble upon this though.

[Nia M]

If it were a couple of lines of the same writing at most, I could believe it were accidental, but three stanzas??

Have been looking this up, and found this article.

Quote:Franklin, in short, was a serial plagiary. Is this some dirty secret from his past, which would have disqualified him from a position of responsibility had it come out during his lifetime? Hardly. When several historians were recently charged with plagiarizing passages in their works, the scandal occupied front pages and buzzed in faculty lounges for months. But when Franklin stole whole works, no one cared. Far from being a scandal, it was almost the norm. In England, Laurence Sterne stole long passages from Robert Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy as he worked on Tristram Shandy, and John Wesley brazenly incorporated much of Samuel Johnson's Taxation No Tyranny into his own Calm Address to Our American Colonies. On both sides of the Atlantic, newspapers and magazines routinely lifted articles from each other without credit or payment.

But yes, still a wonderful piece of writing

Also, which episode is your avatar from?