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Tea Lady · 22-03-2010, 10:05 AM

Yes you are right there I think. Ruth has finally found somewhere where she feels she truely belongs and now she is having to face the reality that Tom and Harry may not be returning to the team. Also Zoe and Danny's futures are also uncertain.

lwhite53 · (This post was last modified: 22-03-2010 11:56 PM by lwhite53.)

(22-03-2010 10:04 AM)Simone Wrote: Tom's story is so sad! It's tragic! I think this is the season finale that drains me the most emotionally, when watching it!

I feel the same way about this finale. Others are sad, too, but for different reasons. Here, not only is Tom destroyed but he manages to take everyone with him. I'm always left with feeling very grim and fatalistic when I watch this ep.

Beatriz · (This post was last modified: 15-04-2010 07:06 PM by Beatriz.)

I liked this episode, I agree with lwhite53, maybe a bit far-fetched but the storyline makes up for it. It left left me with a bitter taste, Tom story is so tragic!

I love Danny and Zoe relationship, how they trust each other, and promise to stick together.

I think the scene when Joyce explains Tom his set-up is wonderful, I think the scenery was a great choice, I liked how the flowers coloured the scene.

The first time I saw this episode I was with my father and inmediately after it finished, he said: "Let's see the next one, let's see the next one"
Me:"I don't have the subtitles for this one" He: "you translate it" He couldn't wait to see what happened Tongue

**Silktie** · 23-03-2010, 09:27 AM

One thing that puzzles me is why Tom did not recognise Herman Joyce. He had met him before when Joyce approached him to help his daughter that was getting herself in trouble, did he not? And also, he describes Joyce as a legend so obviously he thought highly of him - surely he would remember the face of a guy he saw as his hero?

I second Beatriz on the beauty of that scene in the blue flowered field - this episode is visually stunning.

It's interesting that Harry always seems aware of everything that's going on on the Grid. Apparently he spends most of his time sneaking around and eavesdropping on his officers to make sure nothing gets past him...

Tea Lady · 23-03-2010, 01:02 PM

(23-03-2010 09:27 AM)Silktie Wrote: One thing that puzzles me is why Tom did not recognise Herman Joyce. He had met him before when Joyce approached him to help his daughter that was getting herself in trouble, did he not? And also, he describes Joyce as a legend so obviously he thought highly of him - surely he would remember the face of a guy he saw as his hero?

It's interesting that Harry always seems aware of everything that's going on on the Grid. Apparently he spends most of his time sneaking around and eavesdropping on his officers to make sure nothing gets past him...

I admit that I also wondered why Tom didnt recognise him. I then just thought that I had missed something and that Tom never actually met him face to face. Perhaps it was just the flat cap Joyce was wearing. It was one hell of a disguise!!

As for Harry, he appeared to have super hearing in this episode. Danny was positively whispering to Zoe and Harry still heard him. Actually... perhaps Harry can read lips?

lwhite53 · 23-03-2010, 01:26 PM

(23-03-2010 09:27 AM)Silktie Wrote: One thing that puzzles me is why Tom did not recognise Herman Joyce. He had met him before when Joyce approached him to help his daughter that was getting herself in trouble, did he not? And also, he describes Joyce as a legend so obviously he thought highly of him - surely he would remember the face of a guy he saw as his hero?

One of the things that made this ep so tense, imo, is that it would have taken only one piece of the set up to unravel to bring the whole thing down. If Tom had recognized Joyce, if Tom had told Harry about the telex, if Danny and Zoe had told Harry what Tom was doing when it started, if Harry had taken D and Z's story at face value and hauled Tom in immediately -- if anything had gone wrong, the whole thing would have been over.

I think Tom not recognizing Joyce is part of the "everything must go right" scenario that the audience has to believe in order for this ep to make sense. Even the writer must have thought this might be a problem because he threw in a line from Joyce that said something like "I knew you wouldn't recognize me, you're too arrogant."

**Nitrus** · 23-03-2010, 02:55 PM

I don't think it's unlikely that Tom really wouldn't of remembered him, I don't remember everyone I've met and from the sounds of the back story he didn't see him all that much?

Simone · 23-03-2010, 09:51 PM

Yeah, that's what I figured too, he didn't really get a good look at him, did he. Or it was dark when he did.

fanofChristine · (This post was last modified: 26-03-2010 12:36 PM by fanofChristine.)

(23-03-2010 01:26 PM)lwhite53 Wrote: I think Tom not recognizing Joyce is part of the "everything must go right" scenario that the audience has to believe in order for this ep to make sense. Even the writer must have thought this might be a problem because he threw in a line from Joyce that said something like "I knew you wouldn't recognize me, you're too arrogant."

Strange thing is, the plan wasn't bullet-proof. I mean, it took years of planning.

CONDOR · 15-04-2010, 01:30 PM

I have only just watched this episode and like most of you have mixed feelings. I think that it gets the point across quite well on how your judgement can be clouded by, shall we say, "emotional involvement", but I also think that when you look back through series 1 & 2 Tom was a nervous breakdown waiting to happen after what he had been exposed to!

Like the rest of you I loved the interplay between Tom, Zoe & Danny, especially the divided loyalties, one finds oneself asking "What would I do?" Tom is after all a nice guy, a good leader, and experienced agent, I would also think that he probably mentored both Zoe & Danny, so they would be inclined to follow him, but how far? and when do you question your "friend's" judgement?
Zoe was brilliant, she was so convinced that they had to tell Harry , but when it came down to it, it was Danny who spilled the beans, I did find myself wondering if Zoe was a little jealous of the CIA getting sooooo close to Tom.
Yes the episode was a little far fetched, however having been the subject of a similar "conspiracy" though on a much smaller scale, but still cost me my job, I can empathize with Tom.
I must say though the climax to this series was nowhere near as good as series1, but then that would take some beating!